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A ringed subsystem is a type of median subsystem like a ringed planet where there is one core identity and a rotating ring of differences applied to the core identity.
11:01 AM
wonder what jamie has to say about this, he probably made this up too
A singletsona is a personality or persona that is put on by a system to pass as a singlet.
In some cases, this personality might correspond to a specific headmate like the host, core, or main, but it may also be a fabricated personality or other source.
Typically, members of the system have to pretend to be this personality to avoid outing the...
A systemsona is similar to any persona, but it's a way to represent the system as a whole or collective.
Systemsonas can be of varying sentience, and are different from Singletsonas- as it's a persona that's still connected to being a system.
Some people can see their Systemsona as an overarching quoisentient being can affect what they're able t...
Shared reality refers to the world shared by all systems' (and singlets') bodies.
Despite being the most recognized term, "real world" is often avoided by systems due to the implications it has of headspaces and inner worlds.
11:08 AM
what implications does it have on headspace??
11:10 AM
do people get insecure about their headspace being not real?
proxi
it is about them not understanding that this is indistinguishable from being a complex human being
Complex human being can have a few identities. Nothing wrong with that. I wonder why should you interact with people IRL using all those identities and pretending instead of just using one.
For a long time we were doubting ourselves because we weren't able to interact with people and pretend. We were just falling back to host's identity fast.
proxi
the difference is that singlets accept their different identities being one person
it feels to me systemsona was a label made by an insecure “traumagenic system” that felt more integrated than they wanted so said it’s just their systemsona and can keep being trumagenic without people invalidating them(edited)
11:21 AM
“im not integrated this is just my systemsona ”
11:23 AM
probably same group that came up with plural singlets etc
why i see it bad by definition is when i look at it from the perspective of unstable people in the did community, they soak everything like sponges. wiki like that becomes prescriptive rather than descriptive(edited)
11:26 AM
the more options they have to consider, the more messy their experience gets
11:27 AM
i know that’s pluralwiki not didwiki but people from dod community are reading that too
Unstable people should get help and place like that doesn't help them at all, I agree with it. But I think it's a problem of mixing people having mental health problems with high functioning individuals having just "convoluted lore", not necessarily a problem with concept of systemsona.(edited)
Systemsona seems like the kind of thing you might need if you're... well... akin to Ranger and afraid of existing in passively merged or reflexive states and those states belonging to the collective human. I would point out that it is no different in concept to a simple system name. Which is relatively common, and may actually be moderately useful.
I’m cynical of all of this because at least in my experience, the more convoluted your lore or understanding of what you are experiencing is, the messier it gets
simpler=better
Mmm. Messy is how to trick your brain into doing weirder shit: If you are not in control of that weird shit messy is bad.
11:37 AM
My internal lore is fairly convoluted btw. Though I purposefully share none of it because that's cringe and it means nothing to anyone but me and Rhys.
11:37 AM
Hypnosis is all about causing a disconnect between logic and feeling in that way.
lore as in people and their relations, or the labels you put to describe your inner ring subsystems, sidesystems, parallel systems and systemsonas?(edited)
Staying bit always mean being stuck. I do accept being one person, maybe not even that complex but I like having my tulpas around and put on their identities sometimes.
Systemsona seems like the kind of thing you might need if you're... well... akin to Ranger and afraid of existing in passively merged or reflexive states and those states belonging to the collective human. I would point out that it is no different in concept to a simple system name. Which is relatively common, and may actually be moderately useful.
A "systemsona" to me just sounds like if everyone in our system merged together. I have no plans to do that anytime soon, most of our headmates are still uncomfortable with the idea of merging.
Otherwise, we have a "singletsona" in the sense we try to be consistent around other people, but we don't call it another person.
All I worry about is following others expectations, whether it be did community, tulpa community or "normal" people, instead of doing what makes you happy.
I don't think any problems with suggestible people finding possibly harmful content will be solved by censoring the content. Even if you managed to somehow censor all of the weird information out there, I'm sure these people will find other explanations for things. For instance, if Gray didn't know about plurality, he may have assumed he was psychotic instead.
In the end, you can't force someone to not read, but you can encourage them to read multiple sources and go see a doctor if they need too. I don't think there's much else we can do.
I think we all know that heroin always is not healthy and makes your less functional. So does alcohol, maybe in less intensity but still.
Do you think that having m headmates always is not healthy and make you less functional?
How would I know? How would you know? How would you know you are not deluding yourself - not about having headmates but about them causing you any good?
A long kiss goodnight
I don't think any problems with suggestible people finding possibly harmful content will be solved by censoring the content. Even if you managed to somehow censor all of the weird information out there, I'm sure these people will find other explanations for things. For instance, if Gray didn't know about plurality, he may have assumed he was psychotic instead.
In the end, you can't force someone to not read, but you can encourage them to read multiple sources and go see a doctor if they need too. I don't think there's much else we can do.
Yeah I agree, I’m not for censorship because that would be counterproductive
12:11 PM
I don’t think they would read any sources that would not align with their views though
12:11 PM
I mean sure some would
proxi
How would I know? How would you know? How would you know you are not deluding yourself - not about having headmates but about them causing you any good?
The truth is that I don't know indeed. I don't think my headmates make me more functional but I don't think it's making me less functional either.
So far I believe tulpamancy itself is not harmful. Not by definition at least, some bad habits community might influence you with can make you less functional.(edited)
You can't always help the completely lost. We simply don't have a good enough mental health system for that. Hopefully one day we will, but not now.
How would I know? How would you know? How would you know you are not deluding yourself - not about having headmates but about them causing you any good?
I hope that anyone invested in being a tulpamancer is happy being one and likewise their tulpa(s) are happy. If it's not making them miserable, odds are good something is going right. Most tulpamancers start off unhappy and in the barrel, tulpamancy helps them get out of that (in theory).
For us though, we're more focused on getting through the next day and I decided I don't want to give up my sense of self. However, we are interested in making tulpamancy more fun for ourselves.
I don't think there is anything inheritably wrong or unhealthy about tulpamancy, but I think people should occasionally try to ask themselves: am i doing it right? did this or that make me less functional? if i changed this, would i be healthier?
The problem is that cognitive biases (or just unawareness of things) would probably make one not see some if not most of the things that might be improved
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I don't think there is anything inheritably wrong or unhealthy about tulpamancy, but I think people should occasionally try to ask themselves: am i doing it right? did this or that make me less functional? if i changed this, would i be healthier?
The problem is that cognitive biases (or just unawareness of things) would probably make one not see some if not most of the things that might be improved
I don't think there is anything inheritably wrong or unhealthy about tulpamancy, but I think people should occasionally try to ask themselves: am i doing it right? did this or that make me less functional? if i changed this, would i be healthier?
The problem is that cognitive biases (or just unawareness of things) would probably make one not see some if not most of the things that might be improved
People almost universally approach tulpamancy with the first of these statements. The thing is, "right" to them at that time usually gets based on arbitrary stuff like whether a tulpa has the same favourite colour as you... cough
4:36 PM
I definitely think more should consider whether what they are doing in the now is making them happy.
Why are people so desperate about their tulpa being as much independent from them as it's possible? I think it's the thing that they hurt themselves with the most.
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Systemsona sounds like what Simulacra is for system of Alex&Cerys. (edited)
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